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Call-back Interview Tips

Friday, August 19th, 2011
Callback Interviews
In the grand scheme of interviewing, legal employers often ask an applicant to interview more than one time.  During formal recruiting season, or “on-campus interviews,” the second interview is often referred to as a “call-back” interview.

A second interview most often occurs at the employer’s office and can last from one hour to several hours and may include one or two meals.  Second interviews for summer associate positions are often shorter than second interviews for permanent association positions.

You should prepare for a call-back interview in much the same way you prepared for the first interview but be prepared to ask additional and more-detailed questions.  At this point, you should be able to indicate through your questions that you are interested in this employer for the long haul.  They should be able to tell that you are interested in their long-term growth and you should be able to articulate why you might want to join the firm after you graduate.  This is true even if you are interviewing for a summer associate position!

You will likely meet with several associates and partners at the firm in a series of 20-30 minute interviews.  You will be asked the same questions more than once – be prepared to be positive and not respond with, “Geesh, everyone asks me that question.”  This can be harder than you think when the twelfth person asks, “Tell me how you ended up in law school after 10 years in the underwater basket weaving industry” or “How did you end up in Kansas when you were born and raised in [fill in the blank with someplace exotic].”

You will also ask the same questions more than once.  It is completely appropriate to ask more than one person about his or her experiences at the firm – you will likely get different answers, which should be helpful in your decision-making process.  More than ever, responding “I think all my questions have been answered” is a suggestion that you are not interested in the firm.  Again, this can be harder than you think after interviewing with ten different people at the same firm on the same day.

Be early, and know where you are going!  Ask for directions and plan on arriving early.  You should plan to walk into the reception area about 5-10 minutes before your scheduled arrival time.  If you arrive earlier than that, hang out in your car and review your notes.  If you are going to be late – and it should go without saying that you should avoid being late at all costs – call the employer and let him or her know.  My advice is not to call until you are absolutely sure you will be late.  If there is a chance you will make it on time, don’t give yourself away (but do make sure to call before you are actually late).

You may be asked to have a meal as part of the interview day.  If so, remember that this is still part of the interview.  Even if the conversation is more casual, you are still interviewing.  Occasionally interviewers will order an alcoholic beverage before or during dinner.  Whether you order a drink is totally up to you.  My advice is to gauge your company and your own preference for and tolerance of alcohol, and if in doubt order a non-alcoholic beverage.  In no circumstance should you over-indulge.  This is not the time to try and impress them with how many beers you can down before munching on some hot wings!

Speaking of hot wings, you may wonder what entrée to order.  Generally speaking, don’t order the most expensive thing on the menu.  Order something you would order if you were paying the bill – and err on the less-expensive side.  In other words – strive for middle of the road.  A nice way to gauge your company is to state, “I haven’t been to this restaurant before, what do you typically order.”  And by all means, don’t order something messy.  If you do splash spaghetti sauce on your tie or blouse, don’t make a big deal of it.  Finally, always treat the wait staff with respect.

Regarding treating people with respect, you should treat everyone you encounter at or near the employer as though they hold the golden key to whether you are given a job.  The person you cut off pulling into the parking lot, the receptionist you snub, or the undercover partner in the elevator who overhears your inappropriate chatting on the phone could be the person who “breaks the deal.”

Job Postings vs. OCI

Wednesday, August 10th, 2011

Symplicity logoI recently answered the question, “What is the difference between Job Postings and OCI in Symplicity” and I thought I’d share my answer in case anyone else is wondering.

Both Job Postings and OCI are found in Symplicity.

Job postings are like the classified ads.  Employers post positions and students apply directly to the employer.  Sometimes the employer wants the applications mailed, sometimes they accept e-mail, and sometimes they accept applications through Symplicity.  You will find application instructions with the information for each job.  The jobs may be post-graduate positions or intern positions (summer or academic year).  During the fall, most of the student job postings are for intern positions that last throughout the school year. 

Access and search job postings by clicking on the “Job Postings” tab in Symplicity (the fourth tab from the left).  Browse the postings or create a search using “Advanced Search”.  You can set up a recurring search agent that allows the system to send you notifications when jobs with certain criteria are posted.

OCI, or “Formal Recruiting,” is a program sponsored by the PDO in which area employers come on campus to interview students for either post-graduate or summer intern positions.  Occasionally, but rarely, employers utilize OCI to hire interns for the academic year.  In the fall, 2Ls and 3Ls participate in OCI.  In the spring, all students are eligible to participate.

Access and search for employers participating in OCI by clicking on the “OCI” tab in Symplicity (third tab from the right).  You will see a box for “Session” in the grey box in the middle of page.  Make sure to browse the employers in each session.  The deadline to apply for all of the employers in a particular session is listed on the right side of the screen under “Important Dates.”  You MUST apply to these firms through Symplicity.  After the deadline passes, the employer will review all applications and select students to interview.  Selected students will receive a message directing them to select an interview time on Symplicity.

If you have questions regarding how to use Symplicity, see http://washburnlaw.edu/career/careermanager/

If you have questions about the OCI process, see http://washburnlaw.edu/career/oci/index.php

Handshakes Matter!!!

Monday, August 8th, 2011

HandshakeTo make the best impression with your handshake, reach for the person’s palm, not the fingers.  Use a firm grip, that shows you are confident.  If you give a weak handshake where you don’t really grip the other person’s hand, you appear weak, insecure, non-committal. (Message: “I am a doormat, feel free to walk all over me.”) And let’s be honest, when you are on the receiving end of the “fingers handshake,” it’s kind of a yucky feeling.

When you squeeze the other person’s hand so hard, it hurts, you appear domineering, angry, inconsiderate. (Message: “Please hire me, I want to scare the living daylights out of everyone in your workplace.”) 

Shake a woman’s hand as firmly as a man’s hand.  To give a woman a lighter handshake is an insult.

Thanks to the Culture and Manners Institute for this tip!  http://www.cultureandmanners.com/

Formal Recruiting – OCI: The Basics

Friday, August 5th, 2011

Fall Recruiting

The On-Campus Interview (OCI) program is an event that most law schools across the country provide.   Fall OCI occurs during August, September, October.    Legal employers visit law school campuses for the purpose of interviewing second-year students for summer positions and third-year students for post-graduation positions.  The majority of the employers who participate are mid-size to large firms and government agencies that are able to predict their hiring needs several months in advance.  Smaller firms, government agencies and public interest employers may participate as well.

We will use our web-based Symplicity system to administer the on-campus interview program.  You will use Symplicity to upload your cover letter and resume, “bid” or apply for employers and, view your interview schedule.

You should check the employer list carefully and often when determining if OCI is right for you.  It is very important to pay attention to details as you go through the OCI process, as well as researching employers carefully before you submit your materials to them.  It is recommended you target selected employers  based on the skills and experience you provide, geographical preference, and practice area.

Getting Ready

Research Pays Off.  It is extremely important you start to research the employers early.  Please review the employers’ profiles in Symplicity, the employer NALP forms (www.nalpdirectory.com) and employer websites BEFORE submitting your resume through OCI.  Please only apply to those employers with whom you have a “good faith” interest in interviewing.

Uploading Resumes, Cover Letters, and Transcripts

All documents required by the employer must be uploaded to Symplicity before you will be allowed to place a “bid”.  You only need to upload on general resume to Symplicity, but you also may upload specialized resumes if you choose. (ie. Public Interest Resume, California Resume, etc). All documents are uploaded to the “Documents’” tab in your Symplicity account.  Document labels are viewable by employers’ to label them carefully and make certain to select the correct document when you attach it to your bid.  All documents must be uploaded in word format; however, they are saved within the system in both their original format and as a PDF.  Please review the PDF to ensure that it looks like it should.  The PDF will be the version sent to employers, so if you make changes to the original, you must resave the document.  Your initial resume must be reviewed and approved by our office before you can apply.  Once you upload your initial resume, it will be held in the “Pending Documents” until reviewed and approved.  With this in mind, it is best that you not wait until the last minute to upload your resume.

On-Campus Interviews vs. Resume Collection

For employers who cannot interview on campus, we arrange a “Resume Collection”.  The application process is the same as OCI, and you must still submit your “bid “ to these employers.  We will forward requested documents to the employer and any further communication will come directly from the employer. 

Employers Participating in OCI

For a complete list of employers participating, click on the OCI Tab and select the “session”.  The session represents the week the employer will be on campus.  Be sure to view all sessions for a complete list. 

J-section Students Participation in OCI

Students who started in January are eligible to participate in Fall Recruiting. 

Writing Samples 101

Friday, July 29th, 2011

When choosing a writing sample, always first consider what your best sample is. If there is a clear winner, use that sample. If you are fortunate to choose between several samples, consider the potential employer. Select a writing sample that illustrates the style of writing you will be using for that employer. For example, if you are applying to a public defender select an Appellate Brief, but if you are applying to an employer that does not practice in the appellate courts, consider a memorandum of law.

Of course, always comply with employer requests. If a potential employer requests a memorandum, provide one. Similarly if an employer requests something other than a law journal article, by all means do NOT submit your Journal article.

Some employers request an “unedited” writing sample. This generally does not exclude final drafts of papers submitted for law school courses, but it does exclude a Journal article, Moot Court brief, and other documents that are heavily and substantively edited by other people.

Finally, some employers request the writing sample be limited to a particular number of pages. In this case, it is appropriate to submit an excerpt of your writing sample if the original version is too long. Simply explain it is an excerpt on the cover page and make sure to include enough of the substance to demonstrate your ability to effectively communicate an argument.

A note regarding cover pages: Consider including a cover page to your writing sample. It should include your name, the type of document you are submitted, and for what purpose it was originally created. It may look like:

Writing Sample of Margann Bennett

Excerpt of
Appellate Brief

Prepared for
Legal Analysis Research & Writing II
Spring 2009

There are sample cover pages on TWEN and in Symplicity.

Referencing References

Wednesday, July 29th, 2009

Employers often ask for professional references of job applicants. Unless otherwise instructed by the potential employer, you should provide contact information for 3-4 individuals who can speak to your skills, work ethic, and professionalism. References may include current or former employers and colleagues, professors, or others with whom you have worked in a professional capacity (examples include a volunteer coordinator of a community organization or a colleague from a professional organization). Student applicants should include at least one law school professor with whom he or she has developed a working relationship such as a writing or seminar course instructor.

ALWAYS ask before listing an individual as a reference!

Provide contact information for references on a separate document entitled “References of [Your name here].” It is alternatively appropriate to use a header such those used on a resume. Occasionally references are listed at the bottom of a resume; however, never state “References Available on Request” – it is a waste of valuable space on a resume.

Contact information for each reference should include the reference’s name, title, professional address, telephone number, and e-mail address. Consider including a brief explanation of the relationship if it is not obvious from your resume and the reference’s contact information. For example:

Eric Holder
Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
202-353-1555
Eric.holder@usdoj.gov
*Former supervisor at Covington & Burling LLP

Always provide your references with a current resume and keep the reference up to speed regarding your job search. Send your reference a brief description of the position for which you are applying and a few reasons why you are qualified. Keep him or her informed as you work through the interview process and follow up when you complete the process.

Don’t forget to send thank you notes to references in addition to employers!